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TAPE 3ACC-8 7 JAN 54 COMMUNICATION

Transcript of Taped Lecture by L. Ron Hubbard 3rd ACC # 8
5401C07-3ACC8 Dated: 7 January 1954

Lecture 8 of the 3rd Advanced Clinical Course

Title: COMMUNICATION

(60 min long) (transcribed directly from the reels)
(rerecorded by HCO tape unit at St. Hill in the 1960s)


This morning we're going to cover the entire subject of
communication and then we're going to go look at it again
so open up your ears and let's go.

The subject of communication consists of these parts:

1. The communication line and 2. The two terminals

It is intimately connected with cause and effect and when
you put distance into cause and effect you get these
agents, inevitably. It has this peculiarity. It is a
complete duplication if it is a perfect communication. A
perfect communication is a perfect duplication.

Therefore an individual is caught between doing a complete
duplication of what is communicated to him and being
different and therein lies the entire anxiety of a thetan.
There isn't any more or less than that. Simply that a
perfect communication is a duplication and the thetan
doesn't want to duplicate this exactly when he's in effect,
and as a result he tries to be different and winds up in
his being unable to duplicate - he thinks.

Unwillingness to duplicate a communication is unwillingness
to duplicate and unwillingness to duplicate then makes it
necessary to change position in space. In order to keep
from duplicating one has to change position in space if
he's being duplicated to. Otherwise he's gotta hold the
incoming communication rigidly in some fashion and not be
part of it or one is a complete chameleon and simply turns
into everything that comes his way.

Now, let's examine communication. Drawing a two-dimensional
graph on the subject of communication - just put a line
down - and at one end of this line let's put C - that
stands for Cause - and at the other end of this line let's
put E - and that stands for Effect.

Now at the C end of the line, let us put also A - capital A
- and at the E end of the line, let us put a capital B.
Therefore we have a line A - B - one end of which is cause
and the other end of which is effect. Now let's draw
another line and label ... and, the end of that line which
is B on the first line, let's call it A - and then let's
put C there with that A. Now your line goes back over, it's
parallel to the other line, and where we had an A on the
first line, we now have a B on the second line and we also
mark that capital E.

This is very easy to disentangle. It's simply two lines and
the right hand side of the lines, of both lines, have A C -
B E. And the left hand side have E B - A C. It's very
simple, isn't it?

Now we've got a two-way communication channel but there's
no reason whatsoever why a communication line has to be in
two directions but you have a graph there of a
conversation. A fellow says "Hello". He's cause - that's at
point A. That's what's known as a dispatch point ... or a
source point - that's much better! And he says "Well" and
the fellow over here at B says "Uhuh". Well now, that's E
and that's the receipt point. So let's get this real clean
here.

These are actually source point, receipt point - exact
terms that we're going to use for some time, I mean given
something different than just a descriptive term. The
fellow who says, "Uhuh", of course has started in at his
end of the line and now he's Cause and it goes back to the
other fellow who is now Effect of "Uhuh". The first fellow
is Effect of "Hello" and the second fellow is Effect of
"Uhuh". The first fellow originated "Hello" and the second
fellow originated "Uhuh". Now that's your communication
line working both ways.

Why does it work both ways? In this particular case merely
because you're interested and you have heard a lot about
conversation. Well, conversation, and I want to make it
very clear to you, is a two-way communication channel. It's
actually two communication systems. A communication system
is only this: A communication system is only that first
line - A to B - which the A end is Cause and the B end is
Effect.

All right, now let's put a click in at New York City.... No
- let's put a click in Rome and the communication line is
going to Milan. So we get a click at Milan. Now we might
use the same piece of copper wire to put a click in at
Milan and get another click at Rome but it hasn't anything
to do with the communication system. That's simply re-using
the same line twice and re-using a duplicate system.

Therefore, for the purposes of our system, a fellow
shooting another fellow is in essence communicating with
him. See that - for our purposes, that's perfectly valid.
The sun shining upon you is, for our purposes and by the
way perfectly factually, communicating with you.

Now we got ARC - A stands for Affinity - R stands for
Reality - and C stands for Communication. ARC when combined
together relay gradient scale which made up the Chart of
Human Evaluation. Now, ARC inter-woven in this fashion is a
degree of understanding. What we know as understanding. All
mathematics can be worked up from ARC by the way. It's
very, very interesting but it's just right there, pat and
perfect.

But, let's take a look at poor old ARC. Now, ARC is very
good. A fellow can't live on the Third Dynamic worth a
nickel without some ARC and yet at the same time, the most
complete ARC there is. The most complete there is, is one
dot - complete identification. Now, let's just look at
that. That's a little play with words. When you realize that
some day, a wee chill of horror is going to go through you.

The task of the thetan is to interpose some distance on a
communication line and as long as he can keep some distance
on a communication line you know, not too much distance and
not to little distance, he's all right. But when he becomes
unable to interpose space between two terminals, which is,
say two terminals, point A, point B, when he becomes unable
to impose some space or imposes .... or is unable to limit
the space between A and B, it's a unit condition, and A and
B goes zee - it gets infinitely long or infinite distance
or they go smash and collapse together. Well, when he's
unable to control this distance he goes down on the one
hand toward a complete identification when there's no
distance in there and on the other hand, why he goes up
toward an infinite difference which isn't good either
because then he can't communicate with anything so he gets
entirely lost.

So when his inability's become great, he gets entirely
lost, which you call a dispersal case. Or, the two
terminals collapse and he gets entirely identified, which
is your valence case, see.

All right now, what else is this communication line good
for. Well, believe me it's good to solve every case you're
ever into. It's that little graph - A and B - because also
this thing is an electric motor. Essentially, an electric
motor has two electrodes - yeah, two terminals and one of
them communicates to the other and then that one
communicates back again and as they go back and forth, back
and forth, back and forth, mechanically having distance
imposed upon them actually, they generate an electrical
current.

So, that those having trouble with communications is also
having trouble with terminals, so his havingness is all
shot and a fellow who can't exteriorize is having terminal
trouble of one kind and another. Now you understand that
one fellow can be having trouble with one peanut whistle
worth of stray energy and the other fellow begins to have
trouble with a hundred thousand volts - but it doesn't
matter then what your force of the individual is or power
or anything of the sort, just because he can't get out of
his head, has nothing to do with his power potential. As a
matter of fact, in this universe it works quite in reverse.
The power he fights, he gets himself into a smashed down
condition very easily.

All right, let's do a ... what's this all about? Actually
I've told you practically all there is to know about
communication. There really isn't anything else to know
about communication. But, let's look at valences and let's
look at terminals. Well then, let's find out that the star
Sirius shining upon us then is conveying to us a message
called Sirius, see. The star Sirius shining upon us conveys
that message. Now, in order to receive it utterly, we
actually, some portion of our beingness must duplicate
Sirius. But do an exact reverse, direction reversal
duplication. You see that? An exact direction reversal
duplication. You know who's feeding that direction
reversal? - Right's left, and left's right. Maybe I
communicated it a little too seriously. No pun intended.
You see how that would be? Because point B is obviously a
mirror image of point A. This is so much so that actually
if you were to turn the dot and dash around and inspect
them, you'd find out that they were writing backwards on
the telegraph line but because they are occupying different
intervals of time, you don't notice this.

You send a dot, it's a dot. It doesn't matter whether it's
backwards or frontwards. A dash is a dash. It still doesn't
matter whether it backwards or frontwards because you've
entered into a time element but if we sent an instantaneous
impulse down this telegraph line why the electronic picture
is in reverse to the eyes at the other end. And so it is
with somebody standing up facing a group. He says to this
group, "All right now your left hand", and of course that's
his right hand, and so he has to reverse his directions in
order to give directions to the group, see, because he's
communicating.

So his image actually is arriving in reverse. Now it not
only arrives in reverse, but arrives upside-down. Why would
it arrive upside-down? That's a very mysterious thing and
yet a thetan has an awful lot of trouble with images
arriving upside-down and quite often, when he comes out of
his head, will smash against the ceiling. He's got his
gravity in reverse. See this, because the guy's reversed in
a horizontal plane then doesn't mean that this law gets
excused in the vertical plane. It actually doesn't. He's
just right side up, he happens to be, that's all.

When you look this over ... the best way to look this over
- I've lost you a little bit there - but the best way to
look this over is to demonstrate that the image reverses
itself at its receipt point and you're so accustomed to
thinking that this reversal is occurring only in the
horizontal plane because you live on Earth where everything
is parallel that way, that you don't realize the degree of
flexibility. Now, what you're actually communicating with,
with an individual, his head and his feet, you see, and
your head and feet happen to be in the same vertical plane,
whereas your right and left side are not in the same you
see, they are reversed.

Now we're gonna have to get some cards and I'm gonna show you
how this works out but it's terribly unimportant. What is
important is the fact that you find most of your preclears have
a direction reversal. They'll stammer for a minute. They'll start
to go to the right before they go to the left and this is so hard
for if you were to put up a sensitive electronic meter on
the street, you'd demonstrate that, that every chauffeur,
that every driver when he starts to turn left does a tiny
little quick impulse to go to the right before he turns
left. In other words, his training is a little bit deeper,
it's a little bit stimulus response - this is very
peculiar.

You watch a company of soldiers and so forth, and they have
been drilled one way or the other. Well of course this
child was ... this driver as a child was taught in a
schoolroom so anything he's taught he tends to get
backwards. I hate to, I hate to hang that on you as a
necessity. It isn't a necessity. It is merely symptom how
deeply stimulus response the GE has become. It has very
little to do actually with the state of beingness of the
thetan but the fellow's body is in a motor rapport with all
other bodies which is why we defined mesmerism so closely
the other day and nailed it down by letting you get it
wrong.

GE is the motor rapport and the GE gets it backwards. Now,
the thetan doesn't get it backwards but the thetan has got
to smash through all these stimulus response mechanisms in
order to get an action. Therefore, a thetan is just purely
and clearly directing out of whole cloth an untrained
puppet. If that thetan ... if the puppet's in good
condition and if the thetan is looking and his final urge
.. , he isn't depending on any automaticity, can make
an almost instantaneous reaction on the part of the puppet.
But the more stimulus response we enter into the puppet by
the last instantaneous reaction there is and so we get
communication lag.

Now, communication lag is that degree to which the thetan
is depending upon the automaticity of the body - and that
is communication lag. Now while the boy is interiorized,
you start to give him SOP-8C and you find out he's slow,
he's way down. Now, if you exteriorize him you'll find
out that this condition is not quite so bad and then
goes away quite rapidly and the first thing you know,
boy you can check him through the darndest things and you
just get - pang, pang, pang, pang - there's nothing to it.
See what's happening there? While he's interiorized he is
getting upscale and therefore more and more instantaneous
and he simply starts plowing through all tangled networks
and making direct connections and as soon as he starts to
do this, he starts to knock out the stimulus response
system he has to control the body like mad. As a
consequence his reaction time gets faster and faster and
faster on SOP-8C.

Now, it would be fun if the Psychological Foundation of
yesteryear where the unit is being held, it would be quite
a bit of fun if we met some of the equipment which was here
once - the stimulus response equipment. What we could do is
put somebody on one of these stimulus response machines and
find out how long it would take him to press a button after
he saw a light flash and then get him some 8C and see how
long it would take him to press the button when the light
flashed and it would be quite astonishing to you to see
communication in action because in essence that's
communication. The light communicates to the thetan and the
thetan then directs that the button be pushed and he pushes
the button. I don't care if he's in a body or if he's in a
puppet or in a doll or anything else, that's all that's
going to push that button for you.

And so we have the interesting condition of the light
communicating to the thetan and the thetan communicating to
the button and so we got a two-way channel which is the
first thing we drew about. I have passed that two-way
channel - it's as fast as it isn't automatic. Direct -
that's a direct ratio - it's as fast as it isn't automatic
- inverse ratio. The more electricity that enters into a
communication line, the slower the line is.

Now, in Western Union Telegraph operation you get more and
more relays entering into the line and apparently
you're system as it becomes more and more automatic,
becomes faster and that is not the case if you will examine
the actual length of time it took for the message to go
through this automatic machinery you would find out that it
was exceeding longer and longer and longer a straight wire
problem. You know, we just had a click going in on one end
of the line and a click coming out at the other end of the
line. It would be quite fast but as we fit in relays and
things to receive it and things to pull back and unback and
things to connect and unconnect and dials to go and all
that sort of thing - the more stuff that goes into that
line the longer it's going to take that electronic impulse
to come back.

Well that's purely mechanical but that's what Mest does.
Mest puts time into a communication line. There isn't any
communication line in time in a thetan. A thetan does not
consider communication line in time - he is instantaneous.
And the more noise then we enter into or the more circuits
or the more wire - you see it takes up an actual finite
time for an electrical impulse to travel a foot on an
electrical wire. It takes time for it to do so. And that
time itself is communication lag and time then applied to
communication gets very interesting. A star blows up out
here a few light years away and a million years later, why
we see the star blow up. Oh boy!

Now a thetan with no dependency upon Mest and no great
agreement with Mest at all will have seen the star blow up
the instant it blew up and so we get these strange things
that are unaccounted for right down the track where the
fellow knows something is going to happen. Well the funny
part of it is, it's all an instantaneous problem anyway and
so the thetan can receive messages before they are sent -
Mest wise. See it's instantaneous..

Now that shouldn't exceed your understanding very far at
all. If the thetan is always in unit time, he's, always in
unit time whether the year is one thousand or the year is
two thousand and all you're getting there is a shift of
particles and if Mest itself in the co-motion of these
particles, is itself time, then you see if there's no
co-motion of particles, there's no time for the thetan.
See, that's very simple.

So, naturally what happened to you in the year two thousand
- accept this - what happened, happened to you in the year
two thousand, happened to you - that's all. It will happen
to you. What happened to you will happen to you because it
is happening to you because it hasn't happened to you yet
because it's happened to you already. I mean uour tenses, it
don't make sense. You just feel tense in the English
language and throw it out the window because it doesn't
make any sense to anybody.

See, therefore you start letting past and future as blocks
out of a thetan and of course his reaction time starts up
and his communication time starts up like mad and as you
enter Mest thoroughly he becomes more and more anxious
about the past and future. You see? He becomes more and
more anxious about the past and more and more anxious about
the future because he thinks that he has to wait for the
particles to move before he can have. His havingness then
depends entirely upon the motion of the particles around
him.

But of course a thetan can mock up something which can
endure a billion years or endure a split instant. It just
doesn't matter which - he would have it. You see that?

I'm overhearing there's a long heart-felt sigh over there.
(laughing)

Well therefore a mock up, not really made out of Mest energy
and not perceived in Mest space, is itself either timeless or
a split instant of time. This doesn't matter which you said.
You could actually find the mock ups which you made eight
billion years ago - quote "sitting right around you"
unquote - because here then we get the problem of distance.
If we're not using Mest space, if we tailored up our own
universe, why it doesn't have this identical time line
because you haven't set it up on the same co-motion of
particles.

But of course at this point we go adrift, we go off into
theory and we go off into an awful lot of things and we're
not even interested in that. The point is that an engram
can stay in suspension, which is the only point I'm trying
to make, because it hasn't happened and now will happen. An
engram is happening. See, that operation that you're in,
you're still in the operation. I didn't want to encourage
you this morning - make you feel better - it hasn't stopped
happening just because Mest said it did. But you dive over
from this operation. You wanted this operation not to
happen anymore so you say "Well I'm an old pal of Mest -
that's the physical universe - the particles have moved on"
- hah - they have not.

Now as far as the actual operating chair and the motion of
the fellow doing the operation and all of this sort of
thing and the position of your Mest body - yeah, this is
all composed of Mest particles. You understand that? So the
particles have changed pattern but all we're interested in
is the thought aspect of this and if you're interested in
the thought aspect of this operation, it is happening, see,
because as far as you're concerned, why it's happening,
that's all. It never will be otherwise. It always is
happening. So, you decide that's the best thing in the
world for you to do, that is to get lots of distance
between you and that operation and that's why fellows start
running. He was unwilling to do a duplication at that point
so he makes Mest his ally. He no longer wants to be at that
point.

I'll ... It's probably not very clear but a little bit
later on in this course I'll ... I want you to listen to
this tape again and you'll wonder what the hell was I
confused about. It's simple.

One of the things, the misapprehension under which you're
laboring, is that theta has a position. Theta makes
positions and then views from any position and you're just
as much a thousand feet back of your head as you are in
your head any day of the week. There is no difference
between Mest. Therefore when you say somebody's in his
head, this gets very silly. You know, a fellow gets very
silly - he's in his head - but he's also a thousand feet
back of his head. It all comes down to - what is he looking
at? See, he's not looking at anything a thousand feet back
of his head. He's looking at things in his head. In other
words, he's geographically located his viewpoint. All that
takes is merely a conviction that he's in his head. That's
all it requires.

Now, you can get the equal conviction and again, if we had
some of the equipment around here such as blackjacks and
PDH (pain, drug, hypnosis) equipment that's used in the
science of psychology it would be very easy for us to
demonstrate this clearly. You simply hit somebody over the
head hard enough, you know, and he know he's there. He's
received that impact. In other words he, he, he notices, he
notices a fast change of Mest and he decides that he can
feel this. He's decided no bluffing.

Well, he would be more convinced he was in his head if he
were hit in the head, wouldn't he? Well, if we were to
proof him up a little bit so that he were a bit jugged up
and he were let us say in a state of high recipiency, we
could take him and put him in one corner of the room and
then we were to take a basketball and we were to take a
blackjack and we were to start hitting this basketball in
the other corner of the room, you see, he's sitting in one
corner and the basketball is in the other corner, and we
were to start hitting this basketball and... [gap] let's
concentrate... just looking at the basketball, you see, and
swearing and damning this fellow by name as we hit the
basketball, he will get into the basketball because he's in
the basketball in the first place, as well as in his
head...because there's no science involved here. You see,
it gets a very very interesting problem. But he can make up
his own universe and say its size and so and so and so and
he becomes very comfortable.

His mock ups are far better, his running concepts far
better in spaces he himself makes than space which he has
borrowed from the Mest universe.

Now you felt one boy ... I'm sorry I have to go this way in
because... on space because one or two of you are liable to
be confused about it a little bit later on, but one fellow
puts up in this room, he puts up eight balls in this room
and they're oriented against the corners of this room, you
see, and they're oriented perfectly, and he thinks he's
made some space. No he hasn't. He's put up eight balls. You
know, to make some space, he has to put up the postulate
that he's making some space and then he puts it up without
any regard to Mest universe units and he has made his own
space. Now in the later... latter stage it's very easy for
him to make mock ups and in the earlier, it's not easy for
him to make mock ups. He might as well have forgotten to
put up the eight balls just because - he just put up eight
balls in the room. Where did he put them up? Well he put
them up at the front of the room and they're in such and
such a relationship with the corner. In other words he
oriented his anchor points against Mest. He let Mest tell
him where to put his anchor points.

Therefore, people who put anchor points around the body and
orient the anchor points by the body, don't make space.
Even though they're still in their body, if they simply
close their eyes and merely put up eight anchor points from
where they are viewing them, they will have made their own
space. You see, it's totally a matter, totally a matter of
orientation from self and the orientation of self is simply
that viewpoint which one happens to be using. There is
nothing more simple than for a fellow to duplicate himself
any place in the universe because he isn't any place in the
universe because he is every place in the universe.

Any one of you immediately, any one of you immediately
answers up to the definition that has been given the
anthropomorphic itself entitled God. Any one of you -
because you're everywhere on omniscient and omnipresent,
and on the bus (laughter), and everything - mm.

Well, that doesn't mean you're infinitely large. It does
mean you're as big as the Mest universe. It could mean that
you're as small as the Mest universe. You see what we're
boxing with and what makes all this a ... you could make
these terrifically incomprehensible remarks, is because all
language is oriented against Mest. Language is defined by
Mest. So, the second we start talking about these things
with Mest language, it becomes balderdash. You can say,
"Well, I guess I will have eaten lunch a couple of hours
from now last year" and it makes just as much sense as
anything else you would say in Mest language because the
element of time is entered by the co-action and co-motion
of particles.

And you are not a particle and thought isn't a particle and
beingness isn't a particle and time is an idea of where the
particles are located. You want to know why this fellow
gets into a screaming fit and the guilt comes over him
overpoweringly about something he did someplace or another
- well gee whiz, for all intents and purposes he's doing it
that moment. It isn't that he has a picture of it which
he's running out. He can make a picture of it and then run
out the picture of it. It's whether or not he's afraid of
it and the running of an engram was much less the problem
of smoothing out energy than it was the problem of
demonstrating to an individual that he could experience
something again safely. It re-confirms to him continuously that
he can survive anything and as a result, he then changes his
attitude toward existence and he thinks he doesn't have to
carry that somatic anymore - he doesn't have to do this and
he doesn't have to do that. So your therapy in Dianetics
was simply aimed towards showing an individual that he
could do it again and it wasn't necessary for him to brace
himself all the time for fear it would happen again.

He is all the time saying, "It mustn't happen again, it
mustn't happen again" and over on this side on pleasure
moments, "It must happen again, it must happen again" and
of course he couldn't make either one stick. And in this
confused state, you could run out engrams. The actual
picture you ran out, however, he made at the instant you
ran it out. It was made by an automatic machine. There
isn't a person present hasn't an engram if you want to call
an engram a piece of Mest. You know, let's call this disk
here an engram, see, because it's a mass of energy and so
forth. Well, it would drift along in time - now I've
changed its position, you see, something that should have
changed position, that's all.

All right, let's go a little bit further now. You don't
have this engram, if this is an engram, see. It isn't a
mass of energy which you would have in your pocket and
which would then get out and rub across your face in some
fashion or another and destroy. What you would have to do
with this, quote, "package of engrams" unquote, would have
an ...or an engram, you would have to have an automatic
machine that built it all the time and rebuilt it all the
time and in the absence of such an automatic machine that
kept building it all the time, you wouldn't have one. Can
you see that?

If you've got a pretty mock up from the year 1860, you've
got a pretty mock up from the year 1860, that's all. You'd
got it then because you knew you had it. You've had it here
because you knew you'd had it again. You follow this
closely? You just know you have it - so you have it. But
you have to actually, to have substance to it, you'd have
to rebuild it again. Now it so happens that a thetan can do
this. He can build it again. Now he can go further than
this, he can go further than this. He can actually build a
piece of Mest and by nailing it into the relation of these
particles, have it age and do everything else that these
particles do as long as he makes it in relationship to, and
in complete agreement with Mest universe particles, it'll
go along as a piece of the Mest universe.

So, are you making a mock up in your own universe or are
you making a mock up in the Mest universe. If you're making
a mock up in the Mest universe it'll age and deteriorate
and nail down and so forth and you put it down on the
corner of the street down here a block away and it's right
there, it's on the concrete and there it sits and so forth.
Well, you come back a thousand years from now and the
concrete might have gone away but that mock up will have
aged only to the degree that the imagery which you actually
hung up there in connection with Mest energy would have
aged. The theor .... the difference here ... now, I'm not
talking in contradiction, I'm not talking in contradiction
for several reasons. Nobody else agrees very much to your
mock up. That's why you have a ... you have no
responsibility toward somebody else with regard to your
mock up. You can do very much what you please with it and
when somebody says they can see them then you get a little
bit upset because that limits your ability to
(indistinguishable) them.

If enough people sit around and agree they can see them, it
has materialized theoretically. But all this, why? Because
you are going on a standing ... from a standpoint of
knowingness. You know you communicate. You know there is a
difference. You know there is a particle. You know there is
a postulate. You know there is your own universe. You know
all these things-- Now we have to establish to line the guy
up hale again if just to discover his pattern of agreement.
If we discover his pattern of agreement, we also discover
his pattern of communication and his feelings of affinity
all the way up the line because we have to quote
"backtrack" over the agreement in order to undo the problem
merely because he has a vested interest in life.

No matter how bad off he thinks he is, he still has a
vested agreement which he has to keep agreed with to some
degree, so you have to be able to chip this off for him,
you know kind of break it up at the edges a little bit and
straighten it out and restore to him enough fluidity so
that he can re-establish his agreements without, at the
same time, wiping out his vested interest in the Mest
universe. You see that?

And so, we're up against the problem of havingness. We can
process a preclear thoroughly by simply making him change
his mind and put him back in the same state he was in in
the year zero, see, change his mind. The only reason he
won't change his mind is because he feels he has a vested
interest. You know it's very remarkable. Some fellow starts
to commit suicide and he bangs himself up one way or the
other and by god, almost uniformly, he's on the verge of
death but he's recovering this slightly, you know, and he's
gonna die anyway. But why? The Mest universe turns on real
bright and he turns on real bright and boy does he wanna
live - wheee!

You've never seen a surge toward life that an individual
gets when he really knows he's going to die. It all gets so
pretty. It's rather pathetic even without the emergency
wards in hospitals in big cities. Watch people brought in
who have committed suicide, and you'll see guy after guy
after guy after guy. His vested interest is very great,
suicide didn't solve it but he thought it would. You know,
suicide is occasioned by the fact that people think they
only live once. You know, they think they can destroy
themselves and they thought this destroying themselves
would close terminals with it and then they think they're
going to wipe themselves out utterly. In such a way death
becomes very convincing to an individual and he forgets
his past and he forgets that he's lived before and all that
sort of thing and he's lost all his vested interest
suddenly, you know.

Everybody in the Mest universe, everybody in this agreed
upon plane has agreed at this particular time that when a
fellow's dead he no longer owns his possessions, see. In
real, you can only go so far in writing a will to dictate
what's going to happen to your possessions. The law limits
it quite sharply. A freakish will is very easy to undo. You
simply say the man exceeded his rights. What's his right.
His right is to handle and control his property after
death. He doesn't have that right. And so we've agreed on
this in all different directions.

Now I haven't gotten you too far adrift because you will
begin to realize, as you sit there after a while, that
we're talking about knowingness and we can go on and talk
the longest chain and this and that and comparisons in this
and that direction that you could possibly think of . I
mean you can go on and on and on with this stuff. I mean we
could talk for a year, two years, three years of strange
comparisons and idiosyncrasies and oddities and tenses and
so on and we would get no place because we're talking about
something which doesn't have anything more than knowing
that it has. If it knows it has, it has. If it knows it
doesn't have, it doesn't have. If it knows something
exists, it doesn't exist but everyone here has a tremendous
responsibility toward everyone else and so we've all agreed
mutually upon this and upon that and so forth.

So we take these things apart very gently. That's when we
don't run things by brackets, we don't run out former
agreements. And when we leave the bracket alone and forget
to run things in brackets, why the fellow's case hangs up.
Why? because we've hung him up with his agreements with the
past and with the people around him as to what he owns and
what he doesn't own and of course he doesn't change very
much. See this?

Well then when you consider time and the thetan you find
out that there's a tremendous communication lag in Mest.
We've agreed that there is. A sun explodes and a million
years later we see it. Okay? The sun up here explodes and
it would take an hour or two - I've forgotten how long it
is. Is it three hours, something like that - what is it ?
<Someone in audience>: Eight minutes.
<LRH>: No, eight minutes. - Yeah, eight minutes, that's
right. I keep forgetting what system I'm in. Anyway, this
sun up here is quite, quite close but it still would take a
little while for us to find out. It takes a finite time.

All right, now let's see what happens to a thetan who wants
to avert an accident at a distance. The reason why you
don't believe in distance anymore is because you can't
avert an accident at a distance. You've already agreed the
Mest universe is here, the distances are so much, and it
takes particles so much time to travel from this spot to that
and then you see a fellow you know, who is a couple dozen
light years away, is about to fall in a well. You see this,
using photons ... or ... you know ... I mean ... let's
dream up a little space opera here. Now, you've got a
televised screen in front of you - you know, televisio and
you see that another ship in the fleet is about to crash,
something of the sort, and your brother is on that ship.
And boy, right away you say, "The hell with this" and you
simply appear or materialize in that area and put enough
beams on that ship to cushion its fall. Now that would be
all very well ... you actually have it in your power to do
that. You can change particles and suddenly shift
agreements like mad but you'd be too late. By the time you
put a beam on the ship it would have crashed and so it
would look to you that by putting a beam on the ship it
crashed. It would look to you like you were assisting an
accident.

Well, do you know what sound does? Sound travels at eleven
hundred feet per second. The bullet of a modern rifle
reaches you a long time before the report of a gun. Eleven
hundred feet per second -- the bullet of a modern rifle --
at least twenty-eight hundred feet per second, that's a
military rifle, and so it takes a long time for the report
to reach you, the bullet got there in a hurry and after
you're shot and you're already falling, why you hear the
gun go. Different communication speeds - communication -
communication by sound, communication by bullet. Well, you
actually have no communication speed between your being
standing there ready to be shot and there's no
communication lag between the moment the trigger's pulled
clock-wise and you're standing there clock-wise. Now, if
your level of knowingness was very good, you would know
when the trigger was going to be pulled. You see, there's
no difference between those two things clock-wise. You
could actually be over there and be back of the gun faster
than the bullet could travel from the gun to you. Now, the
funny part of it is that you could know when the trigger
was being pulled and duck. In other words, it would take a
while for the particle to get to you and you wouldn't be
there any more and there you'd dive and therefore you get
the unkillable soldier. He knows which direction what's
going.

Communication lag - going to present time in the Mest
universe is going to baffle some of you so pick up your
ears. We're not talking past tenses and future tenses now -
there is present time. If you stopped all the particles
throughout this universe at the same instant and then
inspected all of them you would find that every single one
of them was in the present time that you stopped them in.
You see that? You stopped all the particles in the
universe and then inspected them, you'd find out where they
all were at this instant that you stopped them. Now, let's
stop them at present time instant. Therefore it's present
time all over the universe at the same unit instant. So
you'd just stop all particles and you'd look at them and
there's present time.

All right! A person gets confused about present time simply
because of this: - a star explodes and a million years
later he sees it. He isn't stopping all particles or he
isn't looking at all particles simultaneously. He is
looking at the particles and the communication lag because
it's going to take the particles from the exploding sun
that long to reach him. You see this? The particles are
going to take time to get to him.

Well now, if he depends upon Mest for all his
communications he isn't going to know about the exploding
sun until a million or two years have gone by that took the
light to reach him. But if his level of knowingness is
great enough so he can be anywhere in the universe if he
wants to be in the same instant then enters the greatest of
ease. He knows the sun explodes at the moment it explodes.

And so again, we get communication time lag because it's
communication time lag then consists of time itself, the
length of time or the distances it takes for particles to
travel through Mest. The more an individual agrees with
Mest, which is to say the more he depends upon Mest the
greater time lag he himself has and the less ability he has
to know. Therefore agreement with Mest is very poor. Once
you depended on Mest to bring you all your messages and you
depended on it to do everything, why it gets very bad.

Now, there is a test on this. You can do this with a
preclear with ease. You can have him mock up this room as
this room, and then mock up this room as this room, then
mock up this room as this room, and mock up this room as
this room, and mock up this room as this room, and keep
that up for several hours. Just a duplication of this room
at the instant that the room is in, you know, and never let
him vary a factor about the room and insist that he
duplicates this room exactly and so forth. We find out that
the therapy in an interesting fete that would go up and he
would get interested in it from the standpoint of
duplication and then after a little while it would begin to
fall off and then all of a sudden you'd find it pretty
flat. Why? You forced him to agree with Mest.

Now let's make him duplicate this room and then duplicate
this room with calico walls and then duplicate this
room a little bit bigger and then duplicate it a little bit
smaller. Now make him duplicate it a little bit bigger than
his own concept of this room and a little bit smaller than
the concept he had of this room and then, and then
duplicate this room in the year 1770 and then duplicate
this room this way and duplicate it that way - and that is
to say, make him set up the room and then get a duplicate
of it. He can set up the room with calico walls and then
make him get a duplicate of this room with calico walls.
You keep on doing this and the next thing you know his
perception is going way up. Why? Because you're breaking
him away from agreeing with Mest and it is agreement with
Mest which gave him the communication lag and gave him the
idea he could only be in one place at one time.

How does a thetan duplicate, himself. Everyone of you has
the ability of granting beingness to another point of space
which is you and then knowing in that point of space. Every
one of you has this and this in essence would be the
duplication of your own personality. Now you could do this
well enough so that other points of space ... while you
stood right where you were, it would really be a scarcity
of your attention that inhibited you from doing this, you
could stand right here in this room and duplicate yourself
in a point of space over at the Westward-Ho and while you
were still here fully knowing, you could be in the
Westward-Ho fully knowing, see.

Therefore, sending somebody around in change of space does
not send in a unit dot of something to here or there but is
making a person know he is over another pattern of
particles. Now, we get the shifting of location is in
itself communication so you have quote, "Mest" communicate
to you continuously. Well, that makes you have to duplicate
Mest in order to receive a communication of the Mest and if
an individual thinks there's danger in duplicating this
communication, in being this communication, he resists
while he eventually plows in and obsessively becomes it,
see. He begins obsessively to communicate with Mest.

So, he sees a, he sees a picture on the wall and he will
have a flat feeling on his head, very flat feeling. It's
the picture on the wall and you want to know what the
strange GE somatics are. They are quite often nearly in the
field of mesmerism. The GE is mesmerized by Mest. He's hit
it too long and he's no longer able to maintain his own
identity well enough so he just duplicates Mest
obsessively. He doesn't like it - he fights it - and Mest
is not something he wants anything to do with and as a
consequence the funny feeling he's got on his face is the
picture on the wall or the chalky feeling in the rock or
something.

Somebody who's kind of bad off can be walking along the
street or something and then feel a little bit bad and
then they'll attribute it to the past or something they ate
or something of the sort where as a matter of fact with a
rotten fish hanging out some place. They just duplicated it
and ... it's, it's quite amusing to you as an auditor when
you're auditing somatics or ill health you have many
choices of eradication of a somatic. First there's to
eradicate, of course, obsessive duplication and the part of
the body - that's first and that's done in several ways but
the next one is just an auditing. You see somebody in a
service station and he doesn't feel very good. He hasn't
been well lately and so forth and you have immediately
another choice - what's he duplicating around the service
station. That's his immediate environment. Well, how do you
solve this? You just tell him to look at it, that's all.
You make him look at it and as soon as he really starts
looking at it he is duplicating by consent. Now as soon as
he duplicates by consent he isn't duplicating by fighting,
so by duplicating by consent he then stops obsessively
duplicating and merely starts to consciously duplicate. In
other words, you cut out the automaticity of obsessive
duplication.

Here we get automaticity of communication. An obsessive
duplication would be an automaticity. It would be
something without his consent. Something that would go
on operating hour after hour, day after day, he would
be doing this all the time.

Now let's, let's get it over to the point where we're
getting into consent to be the point B on our communication
line. See, we're getting into consent to be the receipt
point and we make him intentionally become the receipt
point and we have done just what I said yesterday - we
said, "All right, now look, when we ... whenever a preclear
has something strange happen, make him do it again" and the
item will fall under his control and the second it goes
under his control he of course is no longer plagued with
this automaticity because he put it there in the first
place so you make him take it over again. You make him
knock out the separateness of it and the forgetter
mechanism in it by making him do it.

So, if this man is obsessively duplicating then let's run
this sort of a task on him. Let's just simply, without
going into anything that looks to him like necromancy,
which like ... all right, now get your body ... make your
body stand there like a gas pump. would be out for him, now
make it stand there like a water bucket, now make the
inside of it feel like a water bucket, see, now make it
feel like an air hose and so on and we could do this until
all of a sudden he found one that was very nerve wracking
to him and then we just make him be that by choice one way
or the other and all of a sudden that automaticity keyed
out and he'd feel all right. But that's an extreme thing,
you see. That would look too much like necromancy to him.
He wasn't particularly indoctrinated into this, he thinks
you were playing tricks on him or something.

So, you would tell him, actually though, just look around
now. We start with looking around. Of course he's ... he is
now, with his consent, being receipt point. You ask him to
actually look at the service pump, you ask him to look at
the air hose, you ask him to look at the water bucket, you
ask him to look at that, and you proceed to ask him to what
does he contribute his cause or anything that would put his
attention on the cause of his trouble. Is there anything
around here you don't like, is a good way to go about it.
You make him look at this, "What is there about the gas
pump you don't like exactly?" "Oh, I don't know..." He
never noticed before it has handles. (mumble) But in order
to look at something he has to duplicate it with his
consent. And so it will feed out his automaticity before
he's looked around very long why the automaticity of
obsessive duplication of some object, which he despises, in
the vicinity ceases. See, that present time problem is
solved.

Now, automaticity can be keyed out by making a person be
cause - there's automaticity by perception - make the
person be cause, or at the cause, or A point of the line.
Well now, the way you do that is, "All right, get a mock up
of the gas pump." This is all of creative processing, see.
And the other one is, be receipt point. Be perfectly at
ease about receiving something.

Well now, you find many people have, have problems against
being the receipt point and have obsessively put themselves
into a situation of being cause. In order to keep from
being receipt point, the fellow says, "I'm going to be
Cause, - I'm gonna be cause, I'm gonna be cause, I'm gonna
be cause, I'm gonna be cause and therefore I don't have to
be a receipt point." Well of course, the communication
line has two ends and this fellow nailed himself down in
his head like he had spikes in it because he is at the
cause point and he won't go around to the receipt point. If
he won't go around to the receipt point then every
automatic machine he has which duplicates goes into
completely random action and becomes his enemy. Every
automatic machine he has then becomes his randomity and
boy, the weirdest, strangest, most horrible things happen.
Why, of course everything is inexplicable because in the
automatic machine he has at point B - not at point B - but
any automatic machine he has which duplicates in any way as
a receipt point of course goes into full operation as his
randomity. So just exactly fifty percent of his basic
communication set up goes into action against him. He'll
only be cause point, he'll only be cause point, he'll only
be cause point.

All right, now what do we do with this Fellow? Well, we
just make him look around. If he can do that, "just
identify what in the environment is your exact trouble",
you know. All we're doing is making him duplicate with his
ch... with his consent. We're taking, at least, sight over.
Now if you're harder to take sound over because you don't
get sounds occurring at the ... you don't get sounds ...
random sounds occurring at the request of the auditor but
you do get random sights occurring at the request of the
auditor - pretty much, I mean, all sights of objects and
so forth.

So sound is a little harder to process and for that reason
most auditors leave it alone and leave the case hang up on
it. They leave the case hung up on sound. They'll try to
run back track, in other words, to get sound, "Well let's
see, let's get the time you were listening to the symphony
- now be the symphony". Of course the only way a guy can
ever listen to a symphony is to be the symphony. The only
way you can ever receive any communication is to be that
thing which is communicating to you. That's duplication.

(lecture ends abruptly)

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